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The real cost of oil and coal

Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 08:56:48 PM PDT

I got into a discussion with my son today [who is in his mid twenties] about the real costs of oil and coal. Trying to put it into perspective, I realized one thing about the price of gas: we carp here about the price of gasoline and diesel, but in Europe they have been paying more for many years, as we know.

If one compares the price of gas and diesel and the rise in price, Europeans have seen almost exactly the same rise in price, about 3 dollars [maybe a little more] since 2000. We feel it more, because going from roughly $1 to $4 has a much bigger impact than going from roughly $6 to $9, as they have. Our price has quadrupled, while theirs has increased by half.

Europeans have partially worked in the real costs of using petroleum based products into their tax structure. They have socialized the costs of using petrochemicals; some use these funds to help alleviate the deleterious effects, others may not.

50 State (ADVERTISING) Strategy

Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 05:29:56 AM PDT

I'm fine with Obama's first salvo of national ads, but I'm also hoping for something different this year: I'd like to see an ad campaign that matches the 50-state strategy we've heard so much about.  In other words, let's see some ads that focus on the unique concerns throughout the country.

For example, there could be an ad just for Nevada slamming McCain for his pro-Yucca Flats position.  There could be an ad for Northern Virginia on Obama's plan for fixing the transportation crisis.  There could be an ad on fair trade for Michigan and Ohio.

The Price of Price-Anderson

Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 08:09:07 PM PDT

Critics of nuclear power like to claim that nuclear power is heavily subsidized and one of the biggest alleged subsidies (and one that makes activists positively apoplectic) has to do with the Price-Anderson Nuclear Indemnity Act (PAA) and accident liability. It is obvious from recent comments made on Kos that many people are under the mistaken impression that Uncle Sam cuts annual checks to Acme Insurance to pay the liability premiums for the country's 104 nuclear plants and have suggested, for example, that those tax dollars would be better spent installing solar panels on everyone's roof. PAA isn't that kind of subsidy, if you want to call it that.

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One of these things is not like the others. One of these things is contrary. Can you guess which of these things is not like the others, before I finish this diary?

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100MW net power Polywell fusion reactor. Dr Nebel: "We might as well build the next one "

Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 06:22:27 PM PDT

I've been following developments in Polywell fusion for about 2 years. Dr Nebel is running the Polywell program after its founder DR Bussard passed away last year. In short all the critics have been swept away over the last few years, as each new machine brought forward new positive developments. The lab in Santa Fe is home to a small Polywell test fusion reactor undergoing test runs over the last 6 months. THe US NAvy has funded this reactor to the tune 1.8 million bucks, and they maintain a publishing embargo on data. But Dr Nebel has been blogging, and recently dropped a bombshell in 2 parts"

  1. We're getting data.
  1. We might as well build the next one in that size range

The size range DR Nebel is talking about is a 1.5 meter 100 MW net power fusion reactor.

I really thought much more research was in the works, but I now understand where Dr Nebel is coming from. But let me backtrack:

Booker on Wind

Sun Jun 29, 2008 at 10:57:48 AM PDT

Christopher Booker is a right wing columnist for the right-wind Daily Telegraph.   Before you stop me, just recall that George Orwell once wrote that things "did not happen any the less because the Daily Telegraph has suddenly found out about them . . "  

In order to understand what Booker has been writing about, you have to understand a few things about what is described in the United Kingdom as the national government.  At any rate the British Labor Government is now lead by the desperately incompetent George Brown, whose only talent seems to have been his ability to stab former Labor Leader Tony Blair in the back repeatedly and get away with it.  Brown is now Prime Minister.  With the departure of Blair, Brown has no recourse except to demonstrate what an inconceivably bad leader he is.  Brown is so bad that he is expected to be trounced in the next election by Conservative leader David Cameron even though the Tories despise Cameron.   Cameron, whose leadership style has been unfavorably compared to that of Pol Pot, seems intent on turning the Conservative party into a Public Relations machine.   Fortunately for Cameron, who recent Conservative polls discovered would have run second to Bloody Mary Tudor, he will have George Brown as an election opponent.

Mad Science Project of the Week 15: wherein the atom and the airplane are combined

Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 06:57:20 AM PDT

The thing about airplanes, you know, is that airplanes get lift through aerodynamic factors like the Bernoulli effect, angle of attack, and so on. Those phenomena don't care (if anything can "care") about what power source you use to harness them, or what precise configuration you put your wings in, or... any of that, you know? There are aircraft driven by piston engines, turbofan engines, turboshaft engines, ramjet engines, there are aircraft with one set of wings, two sets, at least one with three sets of wings, there are aircraft where the wings are fixed to the hull and aircraft where the wings spin around very rapidly to generate lift (those are called helicopters, by the way). If it will fly, it's likely someone's built at least a scale model of it. Why? Because flying is awesome. And I say that with full sincerity.

Well, early in the history of flight, people tried putting different kinds of engines on their airplanes. It led to a fair amount of hilarity, although unintended.

McCain video uncovers hypocrisy on Yucca Nuclear Waste Site

Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 01:42:47 PM PDT

Busted.

Let 1,000 Nukes Bloom!

Fri Jun 20, 2008 at 07:55:05 AM PDT

Republicans are the party of optimism. Really. What you see as disaster, they see as opportunity.

For example, you see the tragedy and destruction of 9/11; they see an opportunity to create Disneyland Iraq. You see lives lost or displaced by Katrina; they see a chance to break up a bothersome concentration of Democratic voters. You see high oil prices forcing families to cut back on luxuries, education, even food; they see a buffet table loaded with more goodies than Thanksgiving dinner and a Fourth of July BBQ rolled into one.

With connections just as clear as those stretching between the Twin Towers and Baghdad, Republicans have advocated drilling off America's coasts and in our wildlife refuges as a remedy for today's pump prices.  That's despite reports issued from inside the Bush administration that these activities won't significantly affect the price of oil, despite the fact that they already have large undeveloped reserves, and despite the fact that it would take at least seven years before any additional oil could reach the market. They're betting you don't know that.  Really, they're betting you're in such a blind panic that you don't care.

It's a test, a kind of national SAT. Are you so desperate to cut down on the cost of filling your SUV, that you'll let us despoil the nation's most scenic places and wreck its last wilderness, even when the evidence shows that it won't help?  Republicans think you'll do it.

Even though the connections between what they want to do and the problem they're pretending to solve is just as tenuous as the connections between Osama and Saddam, they think you'll go along with it. You'll put a greasy thumbprint on that yellow ribbon magnet and salute, substituting fear of the gas pump for fear of al-Qaeda.  Heck, bin Laden's on the far side of the world somewhere, the gas pump is right down the street.  They're counting on you being more afraid now than on September 12th.

Earlier this week, John McCain swooped in for another serving from the oil disaster buffet.  

Sen. John McCain called Wednesday for the construction of 45 new nuclear reactors by 2030 and pledged $2 billion a year in federal funds "to make clean coal a reality," measures designed to reduce dependence on foreign oil.

There are currently 104 commercial reactors in the United States, generating from 19-25% of our national demand for electricity, so proposing 45 more plants is a tremendous increase -- and McCain wants another installment of 55 when those are done.  That's especially impressive when US demand for electricity went up only 0.2% last year and growth is expected to be 0.6% this year.  Forty-five new nuclear plants is simply more than we need -- that is, unless McCain plans to stop the 114 new coal plants (.pdf) that are planned, with 47 already under construction.  But of course, McCain won't do that, and in fact has pledged $2 billion toward "clean coal."  Based on what McCain has proposed for nuclear plants, and the coal plants on the way, we'll have enough capacity to meet demand through the end of the century and then some.  That's not counting the dozens of natural gas plants also on the way, and it's not adding a lick of renewable power to the mix.  And obviously it doesn't consider anything so silly as conservation.

John McCain is fond of saying that we should stay in Iraq 100 years, or 1000 years, or 10,000 years.  So why stop at 45 nuclear plants?  Make it 100.  Hell, let 1,000 nukes bloom in every neighborhood across this great country!  I suppose 45 does have something of a precision feel, like John McCain might actually know something, but as long as you're just making stuff up and proposing plants for which there's no economic demand, why stop with a piddly little number like 45?  After all, McCain is surely aware that this number of plants won't be built, not because hippie treehuggers stand in the way, but because there's very little interest in building multi-billion dollar facilities unless you can get a good return on your investment.  Let's settle on 10,000 nuclear plants -- one for each year McCain wants to spend in Iraq.

The goal of McCain and the Republicans isn't to build new plants, it's to tear down the regulations that make sure plants are sited and built safely, with opportunity for public feedback.  They're counting on your fear of the gas pump to provide the shock and awe they need to destroy federal oversight.  They want to wave the scary pump in your face, and use it to smash safety and environmental laws.

The Republican narrative for 2008 is that the oil crisis is your fault. It's not their fault for throwing the Middle East into turmoil.  It's not their fault for blocking decades of conservation measures and failing to support alternatives.  It's not their fault for voting just last week, to block legislation that would allow better controls on speculators.  It's your fault -- you and everyone else who ever spent a moment worrying about health or safety.  Because the Republicans don't see the problems at the pump as just an opportunity to walk off with prizes they've wanted for years, they see it as a political opportunity to smear Democrats for the direct result of Republican policies.

It may be too much to ask that the media do their job in taking apart this web of misstatements and exageration, but you know what would be really helpful?  What would please me no end?  If the press would point out, just once, that John McCain is lying when he says building more power plants would save oil.  Not exaggerating, not extrapolating, lying.  Prevaricating.  Telling a falsehood.  Bagging you big time.  Hosing us like there's no tomorrow. Lying.

Oil and nuclear power do not compete.  Say it with me again.  Oil and nuclear power do no compete.  Even if you park a reactor out back of every Texaco station, it won't save any oil.  None.  Not a drop.

Yes, there is a tiny amount of oil used in this country for electrical generation, but almost all of that goes to backup generators and small "campus" facilities.  Oil and electricity are not fungible.  Oil, is transportation.  Coal and nuclear plants are not.

When any politician tells you that by building more coal plants, or more nuclear plants, or even more wind farms, they are going to help our problem with oil, that politician is snickering at your ignorance.  And every time the press reports these stories straight up, without challenging that proposition, they're feeding that ignorance -- and displaying their own.

Could electricity and oil compete?  Yes.  If we had a significant number of electrical vehicles on the road, there might be some argument that more Midwest kilowatts equal less Middle East crude.  But we're not there yet, not by any stretch of the imagination, and building new power plants won't move us even one inch closer.  That's not an anti-nuclear statement, it's just a fact.  In fact, even if a significant number of our cars and trucks were running from electricity, it's not clear that we would need to build more power plants, since these vehicles could recharge at night when most plants are now running below capacity.

The next time John McCain suggests that building more power plants will reduce our need for oil, can't some reporter at least ask him how?  He's you're buddy right?  He's the guy who you say gives you such great access.  So go on, ask him how building forty-five nuclear plants and investing in coal will reduce our need for oil.  Here's a hint on how to interpret what he says: he's lying.

Let's help McCain get his message out

Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 07:05:59 PM PDT

If you go to Google News, you'll see roughly 500 articles with a headline similar to the one in the New York Times:

McCain Sets Goal of 45 New Nuclear Reactors by 2030

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Where should McCain propose building nuclear power plants?

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My Nuclear Conflict, and a "Modest Proposal"

Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 02:14:35 PM PDT

I'm conflicted about the role of nuclear power in the U.S.'s overall energy mix.  Nuclear power can be a good thing.  Nuclear power plants, not so much.  

Why McCain is right on nuclear energy, and why Obama needs to get on board

Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 10:10:30 PM PDT

Today, in a little-noticed address in Springfield, MO, John McCain proposed that the US build 45 new nuclear powerplants by 2030.

Those of us who have read the science on global warming know how dire the situation really is. Most people have been led to believe that cars are the biggest part of the problem. They're not.

Powerplants are the biggest part of the problem, and one of the technically easiest to solve.

Let Them Eat Oil

Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 07:56:00 PM PDT

President Jimmy Carter - Address to the Nation on Energy

copyright © 2008 Betsy L. Angert.  BeThink.org

In a nation, where appeasement is condemned, Americans are anxious.  The people have been pacified for so long they can no longer recall what it means to be other than indulged.  On June 6, 2008, Congresspersons, uncomfortable with the notion that they might have to use the rod, concluded, for now, it is better to spoil the already pampered Americans.  Lawmakers said, as they have so often, "Let them eat oil!"  After all, the people love petroleum.

Thousands of Low Cost Reactors

Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 12:09:53 PM PDT

I began my thinking about reactor manufacture some time ago.   Reactors are now mainly built where they will stand when completed.  The actual reactor is only a part of a larger construction project.  There are enormous drawbacks to on site manufacture.  First it is a crafts-labor intensive form of manufacture.   Craftsmen swarm over the site performing all sorts of tasks.  We have pipe fitters installing pipes, welders welding, electricians installing miles of wiring, carpenters building forms.  Rebar being installed, forms placed, and concrete poured.  Workers are constantly shifting within job sites; they have no assigned station at which tools can be kept handy.  Workers require frequent assignment and direction in performing their tasks.  Supervisors must constantly move back and forth from their superiors to their subordinates relaying messages and assignments, and monitoring work for progress.  

Building a reactor then is a big, complex construction project in which many things can and do go wrong.  Can we change that?  Do we need to?

Nuclear Power: Is Corporate America Going Green?

Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 04:54:38 AM PDT

You may have noticed slick, cool, ambiguous new ads on tv calling for energy solutionsthat look like they came Al Gore, but actually have little icons of nuclear power plants in them.

This is the beginning of what I believe will be a massive corporate and political push to construct hundreds of nuclear power plants.

Now we have word that General Electric, a preeminent weapons manufacturer, and the world's leading manufacturer of nuclear weapons ("We Bring Good Things to Life" is picking up the warning on global warming.  From Think Progress:

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Yucca Mountain is Moving

Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 03:28:05 PM PDT

I know that at this moment many of you have begun to feel a little queasy about the constant stream of forecasting pundits, the mindless patter about what Hillary wants, the guffawing critics of John McCain's lousy speechifying. You're feeling lost, adrift, unable to focus your attention on anything meaningful, at least for long. You are looking for something to care about. And so your mind naturally wanders to the next pressing debate swirling through American culture:

What the hell are we going to do about our high-level nuclear waste from civilian power plants?

Luckily, the U.S. Department of Energy has some news for you.

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BREAKING: John McCain is French!!!

Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 10:20:20 AM PDT

Apparently the 'conservative' "American" John McCain idolizes those effete effeminates across the Pond, according to Salon.com:

Sen. McCain keeps saying, "If France can produce 80 percent of its electricity with nuclear power, why can't we?" Wrong question, Senator. The right question is: Why would we? Energy efficiency and renewables are the key to affordable, carbon-free electricity. They should be a focus of national energy and climate policy. Not nukes.

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Nuclear Power/Recycling Discussion

Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 09:04:57 PM PDT

I'm going to want a lot of feedback on this diary. Please recommend so that we can get some intellectual discussion on this matter. I read in an editorial in today's Birmingham News that Jeff Sessions and Pete Domenici want to earmark federal funds to license first two nuclear recycling plants. The author of this article contends that we are discussing recycling spent fuel and this has nothing to do with nuclear waste. I think that the jury is still out on how Democrats should handle the new nuclear discussion.

click here to read full editorial

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Halliburton: Actual Providers Of Nuclear Technology To Iran?

Sat May 31, 2008 at 10:38:43 AM PDT

With all the fearmongering that has been going on over the last 4-5 years with regards to Iran's nuclear energy program, including the typical evocations of WMDs, WWIII and "mushroom clouds", I dug up the following article from the vault of Project Censored ("The news that didn't make the News") which has been ranked as No. 2 in the Top 25 censored stories for 2007.


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